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MarkyMarkD
28-08-2003, 18:12
A few years ago, Shared Appreciation Mortgages (SAMs) were all the rage. These were a form of equity release, mainly for the elderly, whereby the customer sold a share of their interest in the increase in value of the property to the lender in exchange for an interest free loan.

The deals commonly worked like this:

House value: £100,000
Interest free loan: £25,000 (25%)
Percentage of future value increases sold to lender: 75%.

So, if the customer lived in the house for 20 years after taking out the mortgage, and then died, and it was sold for £100,000, the amount due to the lender would be £25,000 (annualised interest rate 0.0%)

If it were sold for £200,000, the amount due to the lender would be £25,000 + 75% x £100,000 i.e. £100,000 in total (annualised interest rate 7.2%)

If it were sold for £300,000, the amount due to the lender would be £25,000 + 75% x £200,000 i.e. £175,000 in total (annualised interest rate 10.2%).


The benefit for the consumer is that no payments are required whilst they are alive, and that they always retain 25% of the value of their property to leave to their relatives.

The disadvantage for the consumer, compared to a normal mortgage (for which, of course, most of the customers involved would not be eligible on the basis of age and income), is that there is a risk of the effective interest rate increasing hugely if house prices rise.

The latter scenario has led to huge amounts of whinging by customers who bought this type of deal. There is a website on the subject: Shared Appreciation Whingers' Website (http://www.sharedappreciation.fsnet.co.uk/case.html) and there was an article about it in the Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-127-787869,00.html) last weekend.

The Times article relates to an individual who is taking his case to the High Court, and reckons that he could achieve a £1.5bn repayment for those who have been "ripped off" by these schemes. This is despite the fact that the Financial Ombudsman Service has not upheld that any of these mortgages were incorrectly sold.


What do I think about it?

People should go into major financial transactions with their eyes open. Mortgages are the biggest single transaction most individuals undertake, and they shouldn't do so lightly.

Everyone taking out one of these mortgages would have been advised by a solicitor. It is the solicitor's responsibility to explain the key terms of the contract to the customer. If the solicitor failed to do so, then the solicitor is negligent and the customer's beef is with the solicitor, not with the lender.

Apparently solicitors may have acted for both the lender and the customer in these cases, or at least been appointed by the lender. None of this negates their duty of care.

Customers who took out fixed rate mortgages at the time these SAMs were taken out, over the sort of terms that were likely for the SAMs, would have paid a fairly high rate of interest. The rates I quoted above, of 7% and 10%, based on capital growth in the house value of 100% and 200% respectively, are not excessive given that the lender was accepting the risk of house prices failing to rise and receiving no interest at all in the meantime.

The whinging customer quoted in the Times has less of a case than anyone else I can imagine.

The figures speak for themselves.

Geoffrey Cooke, 58, and his wife borrowed £72,000 from the Bank of Scotland six years ago under its shared appreciation mortgage (Sam), an equity release scheme marketed at older borrowers who owned their homes but wanted to raise cash. Today, if the Cookes want to redeem the loan, they must pay back £118,800 — the loan, plus £46,800 as an element of the increased value of the property. OK, so they are being asked to pay £46,800 of interest, effectively, on their £72,000 loan. That might sound a lot, but over 6 years that's an effective interest rate of 8.7%.

8.7% was not an unreasonable rate of interest on a 6 year fixed rate loan starting in 1997 - all the more, considering that the lender was accepting a far greater risk than on a normal loan.


There were other disadvantages of SAMs, relating specifically to flexibility regarding moving house after taking out the product, but these are not relevant to this discussion so I've left them out - this post is long enough anyway!

Zoe
28-08-2003, 18:26
The tragedy is that the people affected are old people who feel that they are victims.

Were these people "mis-sold" - ie the facts were hidden from them. Or have circumstances just changed for the worse and their problem is "nobody's fault" - like the victims of the tech-stocks crash?

Did they not understand what they were doing when they took out these products? And if not, why not?

Henry
28-08-2003, 19:35
In most cases, they understood what they were doing and the products were not unreasonable. The fact that they might not have bought it with the benefit of asset price knowledge hindsight is irrelevant.

MarkyMarkD
28-08-2003, 19:51
I have to agree with Henry. It's all very well being wise after the event.

These products aren't actually very complex - it's easy enough to understand that you are giving up x% of any increase in your property's value, in exchange for a £y,000 interest free loan.

The products did what they said on the tin - but because house prices have increased by an unexpectedly large amount, the cost to the borrowers is far higher than they hoped. BUT on the other hand, the value of the share of the property they still own has also increased far more than they expected.

If people want to sell up, and move elsewhere, there is no logical reason why they cannot - transferring the SAM and maintaining the same level of equity - as long as they intend to move to a similarly valued house.

What is not possible, is to downsize and move to a cheaper property - but to do so, would be to have your cake and eat it. SAMs were intended as a one-off way to release equity from your property, not as one in a series of equity withdrawal transactions. If people intended to downsize, and withdraw equity, they should have done THAT in the first place rather than buy a SAM.

Zen
28-08-2003, 22:50
Originally posted by Henry
In most cases, they understood what they were doing and the products were not unreasonable. The fact that they might not have bought it with the benefit of asset price knowledge hindsight is irrelevant.

How can you be so sure?

Zen
28-08-2003, 22:51
Originally posted by MarkyMarkD
I have to agree with Henry. It's all very well being wise after the event.


But how can you be sure these products were not mis-sold?

Just because you and I can understand them now doesn't mean they were not mis-sold 6 years ago.

MarkyMarkD
29-08-2003, 18:18
If they were mis-sold, it's the solicitors' fault for not explaining them to the customer and ensuring that they understood the risks they were taking on.

These are NOT complicated products. If anyone thought they were getting an interest free loan, with no compensating payment anywhere else, they are not living in the real world. You don't get something for nothing.

The bloke who is claiming mis-selling and taking court action is clearly a sensible individual to be pursuing it so far - as in, he has got his marbles. But he is trying to get compensated for making a poor decision. I don't believe for a moment that he didn't know what he was getting into.

The "whingers' website" is full of lots of "I have offered them the interest I would have paid on a normal mortgage, and they have rejected it". Well, surprise, surprise. You can't just make up the amount you owe somebody - you owe them what the contract says.

I took out an 11.99% fixed rate mortgage in 1991. It was a RUBBISH rate, although only slightly over the odds on the day I bought it. The next few months, interest rates FELL and FELL until I was paying around 4% over the odds.

I didn't complain to the lender.

I didn't complain to the Financial Ombudsman Service (or its predecessor).

Although I lost out financially, it was MY OWN FAULT and I accepted the financial loss it caused me as MY OWN FAULT.

It is the pathetic whinging that riles me, and the claims of mis-selling as the first port of call rather than accepting responsibility for ones own actions.

Zoe
29-08-2003, 19:11
I have to agree MMD. People want to undertake risky strategies to get the upside of the risk and then complain when it doesn't work to their advantage.

Same goes for the endowment "victims". Anyone complaining because they made more money than the sales pitch suggested that they might? (And in the good times, before the market fell, many people must have done well.) Er no, didn't think so.

Of course unscrupulous salesmen play on people's greed and ignorance. It just goes to show that people need financial education so that they can make sensible decisions.

The golden rule applies to finance as well as everything else: if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

MarkyMarkD
29-08-2003, 19:48
Originally posted by Zoe
Same goes for the endowment "victims". Anyone complaining because they made more money than the sales pitch suggested that they might? (And in the good times, before the market fell, many people must have done well.) Er no, didn't think so. I'm not sure that anyone has actually got more than the sales pitch suggested. The common theme was that there was no chance of the mortgage not being paid off and you could easily "double your money" if things went well.

I know some endowments (mainly the earlier ones rather than the later, low-cost, version) have paid off handsomely, but the vast majority have delivered what was "promised", or less.

Henry
29-08-2003, 20:08
Some claims on Endowments are successful and reasonable :

See this case in the FOS monthy report

http://www.fos.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/30/30-inv.htm

‘You will appreciate that the forecast tax-free surplus of £18,288 cannot, of course, be guaranteed. What is guaranteed is that the mortgage itself will be redeemed after the period, which is unique to us and cannot be matched by any other insurance company at the present time with their own endowment policies’.

A life company put that in writing. Surprisingly enough the life company lost the case when the endowment did not repay the mortgage ...

MarkyMarkD
29-08-2003, 21:27
It's amazing to see that in writing. But there are many more endowment cases being upheld where there was nothing more than a strong implication from the salesman that the mortgage would be paid off. The main issue is whether the risk that the policy would NOT pay off the mortgage was explained to the customer, and whether the customer's attitude to risk was assessed.